February 2000
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  • Local Orange County Legislators are deciding if they will accept a gift of some revolvers.
  • 1999 totals from Orange County Pistol Applications and Amendments.
  • 2000 Sportsman's March on Albany
  • K-Mart in Riverhead to be site of Pro-gun, Anti-gun demonstration.



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        Illness in key personal and early retirement has caused a man/womanpower shortage in the County Clerks Office.  They are doing as much as they can but unfortunately you can expect some delays in the processing of new applications and in amendments.  This problem should only be temporary but could last a few more months.  Let us hope that those who are out because of illness recover soon.

    Local Orange County Legislators are deciding if they will accept a gift of some revolvers.

        I am still trying to find out what is going on but the Otisville Federal Prison is trying to gift to Orange County some 50 revolvers.  Some will be used for training and others will be sold and the money used to buy new guns.  The motion to accept the guns was returned to the P&E committee for review.  The problem is that they want to make sure that the guns do not end up on the street used in crime.  I will try to find out more information and update this report.

    1999 totals from Orange County Pistol Applications and Amendments.
        The Orange County Pistol Permit office issued 326 new licenses in 1999.  This number does not include applications that were submitted but not issued or applications that were "abandoned" by the applicant.  1624 amendments were processed.  These amendments covered request in changes of restrictions, duplicate licenses, adding and removing firearms from a license, address changes and other a few other minor categories.

    2000 Sportsman's March on Albany

    On Wednesday, March 15, 2000, plan on attending the 2000 Sportsman's March .
    The local Sportsmens Federation is planning to take a bus that will leave from Black Rock.  E-mail me if you want information.  You will need to let us go as soon as you can.

    Because your voice needs to be heard.
     Meet sportsmen from all over the state
     Visit legislators with messages of sportsmen and women
    Hear legislative leaders address key issues


     Meet at 9:00 AM at the Legislative Office Building
     Rally to start in the Hamilton Hearing Room ( Hearing Room B)
     Invited speakers include:
            Assemblymen Michael Bragman, John Faso, Richard Smith, Patrick Manning, Richard Brodsky, Senators Owen Johnson, Carl Marcellino, DEC Commissioner John Cahill


    Legislation to protect Firearms Manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits
     An Environmental Conservation Officer & Forest Ranger School
    A Sportsperson's Bill of Rights
     Handicap  access for trails and requirements for special licenses

    If you plan to attend with a group from your area, please contact  the NYSCC
      8 East Main Street, Ilion, NY 13357 or  315/894-3302 or nyscc@nyscc.com

    REMEMBER  The more people that attend the more OUR messages will be heard.

    K-Mart in Riverhead to be site of Pro-gun, Anti-gun demonstration.
    The Suffolk County Chapter of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence, the First Baptist Church of Riverhead, the Long Island Chapter of the NAACP and the Rockville Diocese Hispanic Apostolate will be demonstrating against the sale of firearms and ammunition at the Riverhead K-Mart on Sunday February 20th, 2000.
    We need to counter this demonstration of anti-gun, anti-civil rights people with our own support of K-mart.  We need to be there to show support for K-Marts policy to continue to sell lawfully, firearms and ammunition, and that any opposition to such sales is misguided and wrong.

    I am asking all SAFE members and supporters to show up at the K-Mart store in Riverhead on Route 58, located about 2 miles East of the last exit on the Long Island Expressway at 10:15 AM.  Be prepared to stay until at least 2:00 PM and dress causally but not in camos or blaze orange.  We will have ribbons for you to wear and you should wear your SAFE membership card in a plastic name tag holder so the media will know you are not one of the anti-gun protesters.  Be polite at all times and if given the opportunity to talk to one of the anti’s, do so with conviction and honesty. I will be there and I hope to see as many of you as can attend.  The Eastern Long Island Sportsmen’s Alliance Inc. is spearheading this rally and we at SAFE fully support them.
    We will have some signs such as “ guns cause crime like knives forks and spoons cause Rosie O’Donnell to be fat”, or,  “don’t let the first amendment be used to take away the second amendment” or, “ we support K-Mart’s right to protect our grandchildren's rights”.  But if you feel the need to make your own sign just make sure it is tasteful and not nasty or insulting.  The media would like nothing better than to find a nasty or insulting sign to prove that gun owners are nothing but rotten people who do not deserve the right to own and use firearms.  Hope to see you all there!!

    John L. Cushman

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    From: "Leroy Pyle" <lpyle@PaulRevere.org>

    The Second Amendment Sisters have created an online petition against gun control to be submitted at the rally in DC on Mother's Day.     As luck would have it, it's at the same place that the Million Mom Marchers have their petition.  It was put up this evening, and can you believe that we've got more signatures than the MMM's do?
    Please help us out - sign and cross post this alert!


    Monday January 31 12:27 PM ET Candidates on the Issues: Guns
    By The Associated Press

    Three days a week, The Associated Press asks the presidential candidates a question on the issues. Today's question and the responses:

    Do you believe law-abiding citizens should be able to carry concealed guns?


    Bill Bradley: ``We should take all measures necessary to improve gun safety and reduce gun violence. There may be a few limited circumstances under which some law-abiding citizens, such as former police officers, could be eligible for concealed gun permits. But the carrying of concealed handguns generally increases the likelihood that such weapons will be involved in
    either crime or accidents. Concealed weapons should be the exception rather than the rule.''

    Al Gore: ``No. We must not loosen the restrictions on concealed weapons. I believe that, after all the gun violence we have seen, simple common sense dictates that we must have stricter gun control measures to keep guns out of the wrong hands, without unnecessarily imposing on the rights of law-abiding hunters and homeowners.


    Pat Buchanan: ``Yes.''


    Gary Bauer: ``Yes.''

    George W. Bush: ``I believe law-abiding citizens who pass rigorous background checks and a firearm proficiency test should be able to protect themselves and their families. This decision is best left to individual states. I believe the federal government should enforce tough laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, juveniles and others who should not have them.''

    Alan Keyes: ``Given the proper training and certification in safety and responsibility, yes.''

    John McCain: ``Yes. I believe that law-abiding citizens should be able to carry concealed guns consistent with state law. The Constitution assures the right to bear arms. We have a duty to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens, while taking the appropriate steps necessary to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, children, and the mentally incompetent and to prosecute those who criminally possess or use a firearm.''
    Robert P. Firriolo

    Gun Owners Bush Over McCain
    Now it’s just Bush vs. McCain
    Feb. 9 Neal Knox Report—After a third-place finish in yesterday’s Delaware contest, Steve Forbes is withdrawing from the Republican Presidential contest.
    With pro-gun stalwart Alan Keyes hanging by a thread, the GOP nomination is now a two-man race.
    George W. Bush is rated a B by the Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association, while their own senator, John McCain is rated a C-minus.  I concur with those ratings.
    Bush has taken a lot of heat from the press over his signing the Texas concealed carry licensing law, improvements to that law, and signing the law prohibiting Texas cities from suing gunmakers for acts by criminals.
    Though a lot of gunowners aren’t fond of him (perhaps remembering the betrayal by his father), his support for gun show background checks and other gun bills are basically in line with NRA’s positions.
    McCain is generally described by the media as “opposed to gun control” but when the Senate was considering the Juvenile Justice bill last May it was McCain who threatened Senate gun rights leaders with leading four other Senators to vote for the original Lautenberg gun show bill if they failed to bring up a mandatory gun show background check bill.
    The Republicans did, throwing their party into disarray and causing eventual passage of a slightly softer version of Lautenberg’s gun show bill.
    McCain also was chief co-sponsor of a “campaign finance reform” bill that would have destroyed the ability of NRA and other pro-gun groups to inform gunowners of a candidate’s gun record during the last two months of a campaign.  He thanked now-NRA Vice President Sandra Froman and me for what NRA accomplished in the 1994 Arizona elections.  “Unlike most politicians, I will never forget.”
    Yet his bill would have prevented NRA from doing that which so pleased him.
    Since my old friend Alan Keyes has shown no ability to win any primary, if I were voting in the South Carolina primary it would be against McCain—which means for George W.  Bush.
    To paraphrase that great lawman Bill Jordan, in gunfights and politics there are no second place winners.
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    Juvenile Injustice Bill May Be Moving Again
    (Tuesday, February 15, 2000) -- Capitol Hill insiders have told Gun Owners of America that House Speaker Denny Hastert (R-IL) would like to push the anti-gun crime bill, (H.R. 1501),out of the conference committee before the Easter recess.  Because this is an election year, the Speaker wants to get this gun bill “behind him” before the Congressional races heat up this Fall.  It is imperative that you contact your Representative and Senators now, and remind them that this crime bill is more about gun control than crime control.
    You will remember that GOA members and activists have been on the front line of opposition to this bill.  But because of the long Congressional break that included the Christmas holidays, many Congressmen have not heard from you, the constituents, on this issue for quite some time.  Now is the time for your elected representatives to hear from you again!

    ACTION:  Please send a letter to your Representative and Senators. CLICK HERE TO IDENTIFY YOUR ORANGE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE.  You can also call them toll-free at 1-888-449-3511; or reach them at 202-225-3121.
    Please consider subscribing to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network directly. There is no cost or obligation, and the volume of mail is quite low. To subscribe, simply send a message to goamail@gunowners.org and include the state in which you live, in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, reply to any alert and ask to be removed.

    Personal note:  I called Schumers office and talked to Ipyana Critton and she said that this is the only bill that has a chance to come out of Committee.  She also said that hi capacity magazines have no sporting purpose and that they are only used by criminals.  They have no sporting use that she knows of.

    Subject: Roll Call Article/gun control 2/17/00
    Hatch May Strip Gun Provisions From Bill Senator Might Move Juvenile Justice Legislation Without Weapons Language  By John Bresnahan
        Senate Judiciary Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) is considering dropping controversial gun control provisions from a stalled juvenile justice bill in order to push the underlying legislation through Congress, according to GOP sources.  Hatch told House Judiciary Chairman Henry Hyde (R-Ill.) of his proposal last week in a private meeting between the two. The maneuver would give the GOP a chance to say they have passed something - rather than nothing - on crime in this election year. Hatch declined to talk about his negotiations with Hyde, although he admitted that stripping all the gun provisions from the juvenile justice bill was “one of the options we are looking at.” Hyde supports the idea of dropping all gun language from the teen legislation, saying he wants to save the juvenile justice bill, which has been stalled in a House-Senate conference since late last summer. Hyde also suggested that the House could consider a separate gun bill if there appeared to be support to pass it. But even he admits that is unlikely, considering the likely opposition on both sides of the aisle to such a move. “I don’t want to lose [the] juvenile justice bill,” said Hyde. “It’s too important. It would be a shame to lose that in the perennial struggle over new gun legislation.”
        But Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) apparently doesn’t like Hatch’s idea, and he is privately worried that a well-publicized shooting during the election year could cost Republicans in tight House races, considering the GOP’s strong ties to the National Rifle Association. Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas) and Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Texas), however, would rather see the entire issue fade away, fearing the political consequences of a new debate on the controversial matter. “That would be a huge nightmare,” one House GOP leadership aide said of Hatch’s attempt to resurrect the issue. “We could probably pass the juvenile justice bill, but it would be a bloody debate.” House Democrats are also sure to pounce on their GOP colleagues for not moving on any new gun proposals. “We would aggressively oppose that,” said a senior House Democratic leadership aide of the idea of moving a stripped-down version of the juvenile justice legislation. “They would be hammered.” “The goal of this conference was to come up with comprehensive juvenile justice legislation,” added Sue Harvey, a spokeswoman for Minority Leader Richard Gephardt (D-Mo.). “Gun safety is an essential part of that bill and any compromise that excludes that is unacceptable.” Hatch, who stressed that no final decisions have been made, may want to simply pass the underlying $1.5 billion juvenile justice bill, which would impose stiffer penalties on teens convicted of weapons crimes, as well as allowing state governments to post the Ten Commandments in public buildings.
        Hatch could strip out gun control provisions, such as restrictions on gun show sales, which were included in the Senate version of the juvenile justice bill last year. Regardless of the spin that either party puts out, GOP leaders and party strategists know they will have to deal with the gun issue at some point this session, considering how politically explosive the topic was last year.  Senate Democrats are widely expected to offer gun control amendments to one of the year’s 13 appropriations bills, although what the proposal will contain and when it will occur are still unclear. In order to counter that effort, Republicans are trying to come up with a plan to neutralize the feared Democratic offensive. One of the GOP ideas under discussion is to take selected portions of the gun provisions adopted by the Senate last year and offer them as individual bills in the House. For instance, President Clinton has called for additional funding to enforce existing gun laws, a position House GOP leaders already support. Senior Republicans could offer that provision as a stand-alone bill and dare Democrats to vote against it. The gun strategy would mimic the GOP plan on tax cuts, where the leadership has broken out the most popular parts of last year’s unsuccessful $792 billion tax cut and offered them as separate bills.
        A senior House GOP aide cautioned that no decisions have been made yet, adding that a number of proposals are under consideration. Spurred on by last April’s horrific shooting at Colorado’s Columbine High School, as well as other high-profile shootings, the Senate passed a teen crime bill last year that included new gun control measures. One key provision, authored by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), required 72-hour background checks for those looking to buy guns at gun shows. But the House refused to include any gun provisions in the teen justice bill it adopted in June. GOP conservatives joined with a number of Democrats - led by Rep. John Dingell (Mich.) - in voting down the Lautenberg provision. The House then passed the juvenile justice bill over strong Democratic opposition. Hatch and Hyde were unable to reach agreement on a compromise bill during House-Senate negotiations. Hyde at one point suggested that 95 percent of background checks for gun show sales occur within one day, but couldn’t reach a deal with Hatch. President Clinton himself weighed in late in the session, urging Congress to pass a bill in October, although the year ended with no movement. With Hatch out running for President during the early part of this year, there seemed to be little chance that the teen-crime bill would move soon.  But with Hatch’s presidential quest now over, he is now looking to score some quick victories on the legislative front. The Senate chairman is looking to free up the juvenile justice bill in particular, according to House GOP sources.

    (It seems to start in Cal. and move east.)
    Becerril and Oakland City Councilman Henry Chang will each introduce legislation next week banning the sale of handguns smaller than 6 3/4 inches long and 4 1/2 inches high. Because they are better made, such guns are not prohibited by the cities' bans on junk guns, or ``Saturday Night Specials.'' Those laws outlawed cheap, poorly made guns as inherently unsafe.



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