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    Just so everyone knows, I am going to have something to say in a few weeks after we see what really happens.  This is an assault on our system far beyond anything that we were expecting.  As far an new gun control laws we should start to expect the worse.  (SEE: Both Sides See Momentum in Congress for Gun Control)  I do not think that we can expect the Republicans to defend us but we can expect them to stab us in the back.  If you want to see some happy Press Releases visit HCI's web page.  They are really happy with the election.
    As far as NY State goes you should really call REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIRMAN BILL POWERS at 518-462-2601 and thank him for all his help in passing the new gun control laws and helping elect Sen. UpChuck Schumer, Sen. H. R. Clinton, NY AG Spitzer and others.  I don't know what we would have done without him.

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HELP KEEP A CRIMINAL IN JAIL!
On 8/3/00 Ronald Cummings and Donald Louis Carrington drove to the house of Alex and Pat Bodnar in Blooming Grove, Orange County, NY.  High on cocaine and alcohol the plan was for Cummings to break into the house while Carrington stayed outside in the getaway car.  Cummings broke into the house and attempted to rape Alex's wife after he stabbed Alex Bodnar.  Alex was able to make it to the bathroom to get his loaded, revolver, (without a trigger lock,) and was able to kill Cummings in a fight that also took the life of Alex Bodnar.  Donald Louis Carrington fled but was caught and is in jail but is up for PAROLE!  Our wonderful justice system let him get off with BURGLARY 1ST, a class B felony. She needs this returned by 12/11/00!!
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NOVEMBER 1st IS WHEN MOST OF GOV. MARIO PATAKI'S NEW GUN CONTROL LAWS START!!
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18 to 21 YEAR OLDS CAN SHOOT WITHOUT A LICENSE!!
I talked to a lawyer in the NY Senate and found out the following:
     Under the new state law that went into effect on Nov. 1st.,  if you are 18 to 21 years you do not need a handgun license to shoot at a range under direct supervision of an instructor as defined under NY state law.  NRA instructors, a parent, guardian and others are recognized under the definition in NY State law.   The only limitation is that the handgun must be licensed by the person who is doing the supervising.  In general if you have a 18 to 21 year old child you can take them to the range with you to shoot whenever you want to and you can bring your neighbor's child as long as you have the written permission and you have a Hunter Ed certification.
PL  265.20 7-e. Possession and use of a pistol or revolver,  at  an  indoor  or outdoor  pistol  range  located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by an association or organization described in paragraph 7-a 
(7-a.  Possession and use, at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated  organization organized  for  conservation  purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms o at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the national rifle association for the purpose  of  loading and  firing  the  same, by a person duly licensed to possess a pistol or revolver pursuant to section 400.00 or  400.01  of  this  chapter  of  a pistol  or revolver duly so licensed to another person who is present at the time.)
of this subdivision for the purpose of  loading and  firing the same by a person at least eighteen years of age but under the age of twenty-one who has not been previously convicted  of  a felony  or  serious  offense,  and  who does not appear to be, or pose a threat to be, a danger to himself or to others; provided  however,  that such  possession shall  be of a pistol or revolver duly licensed to and shall be used under the immediate supervision, guidance and instruction of, a person specified in  paragraph seven of this subdivision. 
     (7.  Possession, at an indoor or outdoor shooting range for the purpose of loading and firing, of a rifle or shotgun, the  propelling  force  of which  is gunpowder by a person under sixteen years of age but not under twelve, under the immediate supervision, guidance and instruction of (a) a duly commissioned officer of the United States army, navy, air  force, marine  corps  or  coast guard, or of the national guard of the state of New York; or (b) a duly qualified adult citizen of the United States who has been granted a certificate as an instructor in small  arms practice issued by the United States army, navy, air force or marine corps, or by the adjutant general of this state, or by the national rifle association of  America,  a not-for-profit corporation duly organized under the laws of this state; or (c) a parent, guardian, or a person over  the  age  of eighteen designated in writing by such parent or guardian who shall have a certificate of qualification in responsible hunting, including safety, ethics,  and  landowner relations-hunter relations, issued or honored by the department of environmental conservation; or (d) an  agent  of  the department of environmental conservation appointed to conduct courses in responsible hunting practices pursuant to article eleven of the environmental conservation law.)
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Additonal Information:
PL 265.00 Definitions
#3 Defines Firearms as (a) any pistol or revolver..
#10 Defines "Licensing officer" means in the city of New York the police commissioner of that city... and also defines position for Nassau and part of Sufflok
PL265.01 Criminalizes possession of a firearm
PL 265.20 Exemptions
     Contains sections that exempts criminal possession of a firearm such as:
1.(a) Persons in the Military ...
   (b) Police officesr ...
3. Possession of a pistol or revolver by a person to whom a license therefor has been issued as provided under section 400.00 or 400.01 ...
7-a.  Possession and use, at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated  organization organized  for  conservation  purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms o at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the national rifle association for the purpose  of  loading and  firing  the  same, by a person duly licensed to possess a pistol or revolver pursuant to section 400.00 or  400.01  of  this  chapter  of  a pistol  or revolver duly so licensed to another person who is present at the time.
PL  265.20 7-e. Possession and use of a pistol or revolver,  at  an  indoor  or outdoor  pistol  range  located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by an association or organization described in paragraph 7-a of this subdivision for the purpose of  loading and  firing the same by a person at least eighteen years of age but under the age of twenty-one who has not been previously convicted  of  a felony  or  serious  offense,  and  who does not appear to be, or pose a threat to be, a danger to himself or to others; provided  however,  that such  possession shall  be of a pistol or revolver duly licensed to and shall be used under the immediate supervision, guidance and instruction of, a person specified in  paragraph seven of this subdivision. 

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    Gov. fails to show for ground breaking at Stewart Airport.

    Subject:         Pataki's Symbolic Groundbreaking
    Date sent:       Tue., 31 Oct. 2000 16:42:52 -0500

        NYS Gov. Pataki was scheduled to attend a groundbreaking of the I-84 / Drury Lane Interchange proj. at Stewart Airport today.  We also heard that he wasn't coming and that the Lieut. Gov. was to attend.  I can't verify either - we believe that they didn't attend. We were there though to demonstrate/protest against this unnecessary and costly project to the taxpayers of NYS. This project will serve to destroy more than 1,200 acres of land that was taken from the people of NYS in 1971 and intended for a Noise Buffer Zone. Now they want to give it away for development. In the past no one bid on the property when NYS offered it. Pataki keeps trying though. He has already given 2,400 acres (airport) away to a foreign company.   I'll try to summarize the events of the day, with those of you who are interested, along with some of my personal comments. The protest was organized by SPARC.
        Eleven proud citizen/protesters met and carpooled to the airport. We all carried at least one or two signs each. We were allowed to park in a special parking area approx. 1 mile away from the ceremony. We then marched signs in hand to the area adjacent to the groundbreaking. We had to stand in an area along a fence and roadway between two barricades approx. 200
    feet apart.
        The symbolic groundbreaking site is approx. 2 miles away from the Interchange proj. site. This may be one time in history that a groundbreaking was held away from the project site. Probably because they didn't want guests to see protesters.
        Only special invited guests were permitted to attend. From a distance we could see: Assembly Tom Kirwan; Town Council Geo. Woolsey; NW Supervisor Geo. Meyer; Nbg. Mayor Mary Crabb; Nbg. Mgr. Harry Porr; Business: Mike DiTullo,
    John D'Ambrosio,  Richard O'Beirne, et al; Sen. Larkin.
        There were many policemen on duty for an event of this type, I believe too many.  All of the policemen were nice to us, professional and helpful. One even came to us before the event down the road and guided us to our parking area.
        Most of the media was there and they interviewed us and took pictures - watch the local news later today and tomorrow. Media-one TV, Cable 6 news, RNN News, THR, Hudson Valley News et al.
        The only incident of the day was that Sandra Kissam SPARC Pres. ran into a protest sign that I was putting into my truck. She is OK - just a little bump on the head.
        We need to protest/demonstrate more in the future - it is our 1st Amendment right........
    ...............Frank Carbone Jr.


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    Forum finds gun control advocates on defensive
    NY Sportsmen Alert -11/15/00

    The adrenaline rush of fear overtook an emotional public forum and debate on gun control presented last night by the Staten Island Civic Organization.
    http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?1114guns14.html


    State Police Finally Send Letter to FFLs About New Laws.
     Original Message -----
    From: <Joseph1822@aol.com>
    Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:56 PM
    Subject: NY Sportsmen Alert
    Subject: NY Sportsmen Alert
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    JAMES W. MCMAHON  NEW YORK STATE POLICE
    SUPERINTENDENT BUILDING 22

    1220 WASINGTON AVE.
    ALBANY, N.Y. 12226-2252
    October 26, 2000
    Dear Federal Firearms Licensed Dealer,
        Effective November 1, 20(X), New York State General business Law, section 396-ce, will require you to provide a "gun locking device" with every rifle, firearm and shotgun which you sell, deliver or transfer to another person. Section 396-ee will require you to post, in the place where such rifles, shotguns or firearms are displayed or transferred to the purchaser, a notice conspicuously stating in bold print that: "The use of a locking device or safety lock is only one aspect of responsible firearm storage. For increased safety firearms should be stored unloaded and locked in a location that is both separate from their ammunition and inaccessible to children and any other unauthorized person." In addition, a label containing the quoted language must be either affixed to such rifle, shotgun, or firearm, or placed in the container in which it is sold, delivered, or transferred.
        The same sections of law requires the New York State Police to promulgate rules and regulations setting forth the specific devices or the minimum standards and criteria therefore which constitute an effective gun locking device. The State Police has consulted with a variety of firearms manufactures, dealers and other industry experts in order to minimize the impact of this new requirement on gun dealers in New York State. Efforts were made to devise a set of standards that would avoid the enumeration of physical specifications or the process of rigorous testing. Enclosed please find a copy of New York State Police Rule 17 entitled "Minimum Standards For Gun Locking Devices" which has been promulgated to fulfill this requirement.
        I am sure you will agree that these new requirements will help to improve the safety of our children and homes. Should you have any additional questions or concerns regarding this issue, please contact the State Police at 518-457-1208 or consult our website at www.troopers.state.ny.us.
     Sincerely,
     James W. McMahon Superintendent

    CLICK HERE TO LINK TO: Rule 17 entitled "Minimum Standards For Gun Locking Devices"


    Some of Gov. Mario Pataki's new gun control laws go into effect on Nov. 1
    The Good News:
    • The new law allows 18 to 21 year olds to possess and use firearms at a range without a license.
    • You will get a new trigger lock with your new gun, purchased from an FFL, but the trigger lock police will not come to your door to make sure that you are using it even if you do not need to.
    • Plea bargains and the sentence for violent felony have been changed, (but I can not figure out what it means.)

    • It is now illegal for someone to buy a firearm if it is illegal for the person to own a firearm and "straw purchases" are illegal. (Da?)
    The Neutral News:
    • You have 24 hours to report the theft of a gun after you discover that the gun is missing or face a $100 fine.  (And possible loss of handgun license?)
    • The GUN  TRAFFICKING  INTERDICTION  PROGRAM starts.  (While this program should not hurt and should punish the criminals who bring illegal guns into the state, the data can be misused and used to push the one gun a month program.  That would mean the registration of all gunsales, how else would you know when someone bought their last gun?)
    The Bad News:
    • If you are from 18 to 21 years old, the government no longer trust you to own a handgun even if you have a license issued you by a judge.
    Future Bad News:
    • The so called Assault Weapons and high capacity magazine Ban goes into effect.  While nothing is changed right now, in the future the understanding of the meaning of the ban can change and you might have to loose the use of some of your firearms.  YOU CAN STILL KEEP, BUY AND SELL ASSAULT WEAPONS AND MODERATE CAPACITY MAGAZINES THAT ARE LEGAL UNDER THE FEDERAL LAW.  IN GENERAL, IF THE GUN OR MAG WAS BOUGHT LEGALLY FROM AN FFL AT SOME TIME IT IS STILL LEGAL.
    • You can not add an Assault Weapon to you license issued under PL 400.  (The only reason to add this section to the law is to prevent a law from being passed that would allow so called AWs from being licensed if the meaning of the AW Ban is changed in the future or the ban is extended to currently owned guns.  Past proposed laws that totally ban most so called Assault Weapons did allowed some guns used in High Power Matches and guns issued by the CMP to be licensed under PL400.  This licensing would not be possible because of this addition of the new law.)
    CLICK HERE TO SEE MY FULL BREAKDOWN OF THE NEW LAW

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    Anti-gunners writing K-Mart
        The Bell Campaign, successor to the Million Mom March, has had a letter writing campain against K-Mart selling guns in their stores.  You can read their letter and get the address and send it to the same people.  You will have copy and paste the address yourself.  Please visit another site first.
    http://www.bellcampaign.org/do/writekmart.htm
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    Both Sides See Momentum in Congress for Gun Control

    NY TIMES 11/14/00
    Two states' overwhelming approval of ballot initiatives last week to require background checks at weekend gun shows is prompting advocates of gun control to predict that the incoming Congress might pass legislation that creates a similar federal law.

    Even gun-rights organizations like the National Rifle Association, which fought the efforts in both states, Colorado and Oregon, say the time might be right for a bipartisan agreement.

    But despite passage in what both sides consider as "pro-gun" states, the success in getting any national law continues to hinge on how long it will take for the checks to be completed.

    "It's clear that the votes indicate that in two relatively pro-gun states, a very large percentage of voters approve closing the gun-show loophole," said Michael Barnes, president of Handgun Control Inc., a private organization that works for gun- control laws. "Congress no longer has any excuse to block this kind of common-sense legislation."

    Bill Powers, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said, "Hopefully, we can make some minor adjustments in the legislative process and resolve this once and for all."

    The measures in Colorado and Oregon require buyers of guns from unlicensed dealers to pass the same kind of criminal background checks that federally licensed dealers are required to perform, and they bring to 11 the number of states in which all sales are now treated the same.

    The Colorado measure passed with 69.9 percent approval. Oregon's passed with 62 percent. The initiatives won a place on the ballot in both states after Republican-controlled Legislatures refused to approve similar measures that the governors †Bill Owens, a Republican, in Colorado, and John Kitzhaber, a Democrat, in Oregon †had said they would sign into law.

    The other states with similar laws are California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island.

    The problem with writing national legislation that reflects the intent of the states is that states conduct their checks in different ways and have waiting periods for completion of the sale that vary from right away to, in New York's case, as long as six months. Efforts in Congress last year to close the gun-show loophole failed after House and Senate negotiators could not
    agree on whether weekend buyers should have to wait as long as three business days, which many Democrats and Handgun Control favored, or just 24 hours, as many Republicans and the National Rifle Association preferred.

    Mr. Powers described the length of the waiting period as one of the minor adjustments that could be made to pass legislation. But Mr. Barnes said it remained the most critical component of any federal legislation because so many states, 34, depend upon the National Instant Check System for their background checks, and for weekend dealers who set up shop for only a day or two, the system is not very instant at all.

    Colorado, Oregon and 14 other states use state law enforcement agencies for their background checks, a procedure that officials on both sides of the debate prefer to the national system because state agencies have easier and faster access to the local police and court records that would stop a sale. States' checks often clear purchases the same day the prospective buyer wants a gun. Neither measure approved last week included a time limit for background checks.

    Both Handgun Control and the National Rifle Association agree that if all states had the apparatus to conduct background checks, as Colorado and Oregon do, passing federal legislation would be much simpler.

    But for now, the states represent a hodge-podge of regulations, including some, like those in Minnesota, that require background checks at weekend shows for handguns and assault weapons but no check of someone who buys a
    shotgun.

    Here in Colorado, the issue has been especially emotional because the thrust for closing the loophole came directly out of the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School. All four weapons used by the two teenage killers had been bought at gun shows without background checks. Robyn Anderson, an 18-year-old friend of the killers, bought three of the guns, a semiautomatic rifle and two sawed-off shotguns. Another friend, Mark Manes, bought the fourth gun, a TEC-DC9 assault pistol, and later sold it to the killers.

    Mr. Manes was later sentenced to six years in prison. Ms. Anderson was not prosecuted because at the time no law prevented her from buying the "long guns" from an unlicensed dealer.

    An effort to change regulations that would have required Ms. Anderson to submit to a background check was part of a package of gun measures Governor Owens supported in the legislative session that followed the Columbine shootings. The effort failed by a single vote in committee. Ms. Anderson told officials that if she had had to submit to a background check, she would not have bought the guns.

    Later, a grass-roots organization formed to collect signatures to put the matter of background checks before the public as a ballot initiative. Local gun-rights groups, backed by $500,000 from the National Rifle Association, strongly opposed the measure.

    The Oregon measure reached voters as a ballot initiative after traveling a similar path. It gained impetus as a bill in the Legislature after a school shooting in Springfield, Ore., but failed by a single vote in the State Senate.

    After it became apparent that the two ballot initiatives were going to pass, lawmakers from other states, including Arizona and Washington, contacted Handgun Control, seeking help with writing bills that would resemble the initiatives in Colorado and Oregon. And Mr. Barnes said he had been contacted by several Democratic and Republican senators who told him they would like to introduce gun-show legislation in the next Congress.

    Whether the next president would support such an effort remains to be seen.
    CLICK HERE TO LINK TO THE ARTICLE: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/15/national/15GUNS.html


    Rosie O'Donnell's legal resident is FLORIDA
        I know that this is a minor point but on 11/7/00 Rosie announced that she had voted by absentee ballot because she was a legal resident of Florida.  I wonder why?  She supports Gore and higher taxes.  Doesn't she want to pay the higher taxes in NY or Conn.?  Does she prefer the "shall issue" of Florida?


     
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