Orange County Shooters
News from the Orange County NY, NY State and the Nation of interest to gun owners and sportsmen
SEPTEMBER 2002 Newsletter
Oct/Nov., DEC,
2002 FEB. 
Winter shooting leagues are starting up.


"PC" Unload pistol order leads to shooting "accident"


US button Calif. Opens Door for Gun Lawsuits
NRA Assists 12 Year-old in Civil Rights Violation Fight
X-Clinton associates fail to win ballot races

"Ms., Armed", National Review employee shoots rifle in NY City and likes it.

Bellesiles appeals independent panel ruling; provost says deadline for appeal process 'soon'
British Gun Control Activists Want to Ban Air Rifle  
by Jacob J. Rieper, Legislative Director New York State Rifle & Pistol Association

Winter shooting leagues are starting up

     If you need a reason to let some ammo fly, you would like to have some fun shooting or just want to meet some other local shooters why not try shooting in some of the local leagues that will be starting in the next month.  Both 22Trailside 22 Cal. cost around $400 -$450 Cal and center fire caliber will be use at both private and public ranges.
      The oldest and largest league is the ORANGE COUNTY PISTOL LEAGUE.  With over 40 shooters last year on 8 teams, the league is a 22 caliber league that shoots the NRA Gallery Course of fire with slow fire, timed and rapid every other week for 10 weeks with the Dennis, the "MASTER" in Master Classend of Dec. and the first of Jan. off.  Shooting only 60 rounds a night will not burn up your rent money nor will the $67 fee that you will have to pay to join.  The league is held at Master Class in Monroe and starts October 1st.  Call Master Class for more info.
     Master Class is also starting its famous COMBAT LEAGUE on Sept. 25th.  You will need any centerfire gun with 72 rounds and 4 clips or speed loaders and a holster.  The course of fire is designed for any level of shooting skill and you can expect Dennis to help anyone who needs it.


189 of 189 machines reporting, (313 total districts)
Carl E Du Bois 9,138 (64%)
H Frank Bigger 5,041 (36%)
(If you take out the block vote that Bigger got from KJ the numbers go to 69% to 31%)

     I have talked to Mr. Dubois several times and would not expect any major changes that would impact gun owners in Orange County.  He has promised to try to improve the Sheriff's Departments handling of pistol license applications.  He is also a handgun owner and has had a license since 1990.  I expect that most gun owners will be more than willing to support him.
     I will be talking to his Dem. challenger soon.

     We want to thank Sheriff Bigger for having a clean campaign. He has done a lot with the Sheriff's department and in many ways has done a much better
job than he has gotten credit for. He has always been a supporter of the sportsmen and sportswomen in Orange County and has always been willing to work with us. He will be missed by many. The next Sheriff will have some big shoes to fill.


NY State gun  button "PC" Unload pistol order leads to shooting "accident"
Glock, county officials know of only one agency, county probation, that has it.

The Post-Standard, September 17, 2002, By John O'Brien, Staff writer

     Onondaga County probation officer Stacey Nunn was following what may be a unique requirement by unloading her handgun at home when she accidentally shot her downstairs neighbor seven weeks ago.   When officers are off duty, they must either have their handgun on them or unload it, equip it with a locking device and store it in a locked enclosure, according to the Probation Department's firearms policy. The officers have to take the guns home because the policy forbids storing the weapons at work.
      Nunn was unloading her .40-caliber Glock in her second-floor James Street apartment in Syracuse July 30 when it fired into the floor, striking her neighbor Michael Chapman in the chest as he was making dinner in the kitchen of his first-floor apartment.
      "I work with police agencies all over the country, and I know of no other that requires officers to unload their weapons at home," said Mark Doneburgh, the northeast district manager for Glock Inc. Glock makes handguns used by 70 percent of U.S. police agencies.  "This is the first time I've ever heard of it," Doneburgh said.  He works with about 2,300 police agencies in New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Canada, and is familiar with the practices of others across the country. A spokesman for the state police said the agency does not require its officers to unload their weapons when they're off duty. "The more times you unload it, the better chance you have of a boo-boo," Doneburgh said.

Calif. Opens Door for Gun Lawsuits
BY ANGELA WATERCUTTER, Associated Press Writer, September 25, 2002, 8:39 PM EDT

SAN FRANCISCO -- Gov. Gray Davis cleared the way Wednesday for Californians to sue gun manufacturers if they believe the companies have been negligent in the advertising or production of firearms.   The package of bills Davis signed removes a shield granted to gun makers regarding negligence lawsuits. Previously, gun manufacturers could not be sued if their products were used in the commission of a crime.  A number of states have similar legal shields for gun makers. California is the first state to repeal such an immunity.
      "No industry should be allowed to hide from its own harmful conduct," Davis said in a telephone press conference. "And except for gun manufacturers, no industry is. Current laws shield a gun manufacturer from its own negligence. These new laws strip away that shield."
      California's new laws have already gained the praise of gun control advocates.  "These bills were our top priority this year, we're thrilled that the governor has stuck by his position on this," said Eric Gorovitz, Western policy director for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a national grassroots organization.  Gorovitz said he hopes the measure will make the gun industry more responsible because of the threat of lawsuits.
      Critics of the bills, however, argue that they could open the door to frivolous lawsuits. And, Chuck Michel, a spokesman for the California Rifle and Pistol Association, Inc., says the legislation is an attempt by gun-ban advocates to swamp gun manufacturers with lawsuits to bankrupt them.   "They will use this to file multiple lawsuits based on their mistaken belief that firearms have no social utility," Michel said. "They want a legitimate industry to pay for the inability of law enforcement and local authorities to control violent crimes."
      The new law removes a lawsuit shield enacted in 1983 to protect manufacturers of cheaply made handguns known as Saturday Night Specials.  The shield was cited by the state Supreme Court last year when it ruled that a gun company couldn't be sued by survivors of a 1993 rampage for damages done when criminals use their products illegally.

Gov. Davis Signs Package of Far-Reaching Gun Bills, 9/25/2002

* Repeals Gun Industry's Legal Immunity
* Strengthens Ban on Saturday Night Specials
* Provides Cities with Data for Gun Lawsuits
* Prohibits Sale of Non-Certified Gun Safety Locks
* Expands Oversight on Gun Dealer Transactions
* Strengthens Police Seizure of Domestic Violence Guns

(Los Angeles) In a stunning legal setback for the gun industry, California is becoming the first state in the country to repeal the gun industry's special legal immunity as Gov. Gray Davis signed SB 682 by Senator Don Perata and AB 496 by Assemblyman Paul Koretz today as part of a package of far-reaching new gun laws. The gun industry bills overturn a California Supreme Court decision, which held that a 1983 law created a special immunity shield for gun manufactures.

Davis also signed: AB 2902 by Assemblyman Koretz to strengthen the state's ban on Saturday night specials by authorizing DOJ to randomly test handgun models each year to make sure they remain in compliance and regulate the ammunition that is used in the tests. SB 1490 by Senator Perata to assist city lawsuits against the gun industry by authorizing city attorneys access to gun transfer records held by the Department of Justice. SB 1670 by Senator Jack Scott to prohibit the sale of safety locks that are not approved by the state. AB 2080 by Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg to require gun dealers shipping firearms into or within California to obtain authorization from the Department of Justice that the recipient is a legitimate dealer. AB 2695 by Assemblywoman Jenny Oropeza to lengthen the standard time police may hold guns seized at domestic violence incidents and SB 1807 by Senator Wesley Chesbro to make it easier for police to hold domestic violence guns if returning the weapon might endanger the person reporting the threat or assault.

"Victims of gun violence will finally get justice," Luis Tolley of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March, which sponsored the repeal of gun industry immunity. Repealing the gun industry's special immunity was the top priority for Million Mom March Chapters throughout California. The Million Mom March activists, many of whom have personally suffered from gun violence, marched on the state capitol and lobbied their legislators in personal visits, phone calls and letters to repeal the gun industry's special protection and allow gun victims their fair day in court.

"This is a legal earthquake for irresponsible gun manufacturers," said Tolley. "Gun manufacturers are going to face judgment day. They will no longer be able to hide from the courts and escape legal accountability when they engage in dangerous and irresponsible conduct that hurts and kills people. The gun industry will have to follow the same legal rules as every other industry in California and victims of gun violence will finally obtain justice, including the right to be heard in court. For too long, some gun makers have hidden from legal scrutiny behind an immunity shield while deliberately endangering the public in ways that would never be tolerated for any other product. Those days are over."

The bills respond to a 2001 California Supreme Court ruling, which held that a 1983 law sponsored by the NRA provided special immunity to gun manufacturers. The Court found that gun maker Navegar, which produced the banned TEC-9 assault weapon, could not be held responsible for criminal use of the TEC-9 even though Navegar deliberately designed and marketed the weapon for criminals. Navegar ads touted its "excellent resistant to fingerprints" and "high volume of firepower" and promoted the weapon in Solider of Fortune magazine. Navegar boasted that news reports of criminals using the TEC-9 were "good as far as sales go" and had "advertising tingle." The TEC-9 assault weapon was equipped with rapid-fire combat capability, a 32-round ammunition magazine, a sling for one-handed shooting and a barrel designed for an illegal silencer.

This is the third major setback for the gun industry this summer. In June, the Ohio Supreme Court reinstated Cincinnati's lawsuit against the industry, allowing the City to proceed with product liability, negligence and public nuisance claims against fifteen gun manufacturers and earlier this month the Indiana Court of Appeals reinstated key provisions of Gary's lawsuit against gun dealers. Twelve cities and counties in California are pursuing similar suits against the gun industry, with trial currently set for April of next year.

NRA Assists 12 Year-old in Civil Rights Violation Fight

September 17, 2002
      Today, the National Rifle Association's (NRA) Civil Rights Defense Fund filed a First Amendment civil rights lawsuit on behalf of 12 year-old Virginia NRA member, Alan Newsom. The lawsuit charges the principal and vice-principal of the Jack Jouett Middle School and Albemarle County School Board Superintendent and Board members with violating Newsom's civil rights when they banned him from wearing a NRA logo-ed Youth Sports Shooting Camp shirt to school.
      On or about April 29, 2002, Alan Newsom was forced to remove his NRA Sports Shooting Camp t-shirt by the vice-principal and told to turn the t-shirt inside out because she considered the NRA shirt illustrations of individuals involved in shooting sports in violation of school policy. Although Newsom was ordered to forfeit his right to free speech and association under threat of school suspension, at the time of the demand there was no rule that prohibited clothing depicting shooting sports.
     When the NRA notified school authorities that the action violated the student's civil rights, the school subsequently added a provision for the 2002-2003 school year barring any clothing associated with "weapons" and "violence."
      "The facts are clear. Alan Newsom was singled-out by the vice-principal because he was wearing a NRA t-shirt. The t-shirt clearly depicts individuals involved in shooting sports. The images are in no way inappropriate or violent. This is a blatant infringement of young Alan's Constitutional rights. I was dumbfounded when I learned of the facts of this case after Alan's parents contacted us and didn't hesitate to take up this challenge. I am proud to say that the NRA stands with this brave young man," NRA's Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre said of the case.
     The lawsuit, which seeks $100,000 in damages and $50,000 in punitive damages plus costs and attorney fees incurred in vindicating Newsom's civil rights, was filed in the U.S. Federal District Court for Western District of Virginia, Charlottesville Division. Among the twelve counts included in the Federal suit are free speech and due process violations under federal and state constitutions.
     "The NRA wholeheartedly supports the reasonable prohibition of images on clothing depicting violence in a school setting. However, to preclude a student from wearing an article of clothing because it may run counter to the viewpoints or political beliefs of some school officials is deplorable," LaPierre added. In Tinker v. Des Moines School District, the U.S. Supreme Court held "[i]n order for the State in the person of the school officials to justify prohibition of a particular expressed opinion, it must be able to show that its actions were caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint.
      The lawsuit also challenges the ambiguity of the new school rule which will not only affect all NRA logos, but also the Great Seal of the United States, the United States Army logo and the state seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia – all with images of "weapons" that would fall within the prohibitions of the school's new policy.
      "This is clearly a case of political-correctness running unchecked. Alan is a good student who has no disciplinary problems in school. He developed an affinity for shooting sports and his father enrolled him in a NRA Youth Safety Camp to learn basic firearm safety. Alan aspires to represent his country in the Olympics someday. The school authorities harassed and breached Alan's First Amendment rights merely for his interest in the NRA and shooting sports," LaPierre concluded.
      The lawsuit noted that, ironically, Jack Jouett Middle School is named for an American Revolutionary War hero who is known for his famous ride on June 3, 1781, in which despite the potential for personal peril, he rode through the night from Louisa, VA to Monticello to warn Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry and other parties that British troops were on their way to arrest Jefferson and others for signing the Declaration of Independence. In appreciation for this act of bravery the Virginia Legislature awarded Captain Jack Jouett a sword and a pair of pistols.
       The 131 year-old NRA is the nation's oldest civil rights group that advocates enforcement of existing laws to prosecute and punish violent criminals. The NRA is the nation's leader in teaching youth gun safety and promoting marksmanship nationwide. The Association has about 4 million members across America.

X-Clinton associates fail to win ballot races

     The list of losers.

  • Cuomo, head of HUD pulls out of NY Gov. race
  • Tuesday, September 17, 2002; 8:03 PM
    MIAMI Janet Reno conceded the Democratic nomination for governor to Bill McBride on Tuesday a full week after Florida's bungled primary after final vote counts showed him narrowly defeating the former attorney general.  The final but still unofficial count had the Tampa lawyer and political newcomer winning by about 4,800 votes out of more than 1.3 million cast. McBride will face Republican Gov. Jeb Bush in November.
  • Boston, Mass. State Treasurer Shannon P. O'Brien won the hard-fought Democratic primary race for governor last night with a decisive victory over three rivals.  With approximately 90 percent of the precincts counted, former US labor secretary Robert Reich was edging Senate President Thomas F. Birmingham for second place.


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