Orange County Shooters
News from the Orange County NY, NY State and the Nation of interest to gun owners and sportsmen
February 2005 Newsletter
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ORANGE COUNTY & LOCAL NEWS
NY STATE NEWS
CoBIS or Gun "DNA" Watch
up now for this years March on Albany. Last year the bus was almost full
and we had a great time. The trip is free and we even provide food.
HERE FOR MORE INFORMATION
Mid-Hudson News Network carried the following story on Thursday, February 17, 2005. They also had a segment in their online audio feed that contained me giving the same quote. NYAGV does have separate New Yorkers Against Gun Violence Educational Fund and PAC but they are not the ones who lobby for gun control.
Gun rights advocate says weapon issue is being blown out of proportion
George Rogero of Washingtonville is a
gun rights advocate who believes so strongly in it that he operates OCShooters.com,
an educational web site “designed to promote the safe, legal and
responsible use of firearms.
IF ANYONE HAS REQUESTED AN UNRESTRICTED LICENSE FROM JUDGE JENKINS-KIEDAISCH, PLEASE CONTACT ME AT INFO@OCSHOOTERS.COM
Orange County has six Judges who issue
Pistol Licenses and those Judges are elected for 10 years. If you want
to have an impact, now is the time to talk to the people who are running
for the position to see how they feel about unrestricted licenses. This
year a Family Court position is open and incumbent Democrat Judge Debra
Jenkins-Kiedaisch will be seeking a 2nd term.
Deerpark aims to protect hunting clubs
Orange County is in the process of switching
over to the new style plastic pistol license. Some minor bugs in the system
has delayed the introduction of the new system they are using past the
hoped for first of the year introduction. They hope to have the new system
up and running by the end of the month.
Friends of the NRA Dinner in Orange County set to be the biggest
annual Friends of the NRA Dinner is on track to be the biggest ever.
The Orange County Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs has always endorsed,
promoted and supported this annual dinner and members of the Federation
have spent many long hours picking up donations and arranging for
prizes and awards.
Following in the footsteps of SCOPE
and its Yahoo Forum, OCShooters.com has started a new Yahoo
Forum at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OCShooters/
The forum will allow those who visit OCShooters a chance to meet and talk with other people in Orange County and exchange ideas and information. Primarily this forum is designed to answer questions about firearms issues related to Orange County NY and related questions of NY State and National issues that directly impact firearms related issues in Orange County NY. Secondarily, other issues related to hunting, fishing, trapping and other related outdoor activities and related events, clubs and other organizations will be address.
Anyone can join the forum and when you sign up, you can select if you don't want to get e-mails that contain the most recent post or if you want to get e-mails every time one is posted or a daily post that contains all the post on one day.
Mike aims at gunmakers
Hold on to your rights, pocket book and crossed Ts and dotted Is
|Renewable handgun license||Ban on 50 Cals||Ban on certain ammo||Expanded AW Ban|
|More rules and regulations||Insurance for guns||Sue you if your gun is stolen||Required Safety Classes|
and a new bill that would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty
to include the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds."
While the sponsor of the bill states that it should not impact hunting,
no one believes him. Even if he was telling the truth no one thinks for
a second that some liberal NY City Judge will ignore the intent of the
law and end hunting in NY and it will take years for the case to work
through the courts and who knows who would win. Just look across the border
to NJ and their Bear hunt. (The
ban was supported by the NJ chapter of the Sierra Club.) NJ hunters
though that they would win in court but instead, decades of law and traditions
was thrown out the window when the court decided that a single appointed
person, Environmental Commissioner Bradley Campbell, gets to decide what
is hunted, when and under what conditions.
There are some pro-gun bills and some do have a chance of passing. We hope that the CoBIS program will be stopped and the youth hunting bill will be passed.
Several hundred bills show up each year
and it is hard to keep track and figure out what they mean. Normally the
Dem. controlled pass all of the anti-gun bills in one day with little
if no debate and keep the pro-gun bills in committee. The Senate is the
reverse, passing pro-gun bills and holding anti-gun bills in committee.
The only difference is that the Assembly passes almost every anti-gun
bill that they can find while the Senate only passes a few bills and people
like Sen. Morahan like to give excuses why no pro-gun bills should pass.
The best way to see everything is to check out the LEGISLATIVE REPORT that SCOPE has or that the NYSRPA does. Just don't get too upset when you see the bill that would ban all handguns or that would limit Ammo sales to 90 rounds every 90 days, you will see them every year.
This report is 75% rumor. The fact that CoBIS did have a hit using the
NIBIN data in a 2 year old + case from Rochester and that the statue of
limitations had run out, (and so the crime was a misdemeanor,) has been
confirmed by DCJS however the details have not been confirmed and DCJS
would not provide them but told me to contact the Rochester Police Department
and they require a FOIL. I have a FOIL in with the Rochester Police Department
and I will update the information if I get more information.
At the end of 2004 CoBIS had one hit using data supplied though a loophole in federal law that allowed NIBIN information to be compared against the CoBIS Database. The hit involved a "shots fired" case in Rochester. The crime was a misdemeanor and by the time the match was made, the statue of limitations had run out. The person who owned the gun had already been in trouble and his handgun had been taken away while his license was being suspended/revoked.
This case shows several problems with CoBIS. One is that if they compared all handguns taken by the police for cause, they might have solved this "crime" before the statue of limitations had ended. Another one is that even if they had a match the next day, the police could have only shown that they got a report of shots fired and when they got there they found the spent cases. The person who owned the gun could have said many things like; the owner had some spent brass in their car and threw it out the window when they were driving in the area and then someone else shot something and the police did not find that brass, just theirs or a car had backfired and their was no shooting at all.
This is the same type of hit as Maryland had with the MD-IBIS program. While that did match a gun to "crime", the crime investigation was not "enhanced or expedited through the use of" CoBIS. In this case even if the police had gone to the person and told them they had a match and the person said that they did it, the case still could have not been taken forward because of the statue of limitation.
They have been waiting since the Federal
Assault Weapons Ban ended for something to happen so they could push more
gun bans and the shooting in the Kingston Mall is the best that they have
had so far. It does not matter to them that the gun the guy used was built
to comply with the Federal and NY's own state ban and by their own requirements
and definition was not an assault weapon or that the gun was sold legally
or that the guy could have done the same thing with any number of guns
including guns not on their new "Banned" list.
NYAGV's goal is to have more gun control laws passed and it does not matter what they have said in the past or if the law will really have any impact on crime. (Such as their support of expanding CoBIS even though the program is a total failure.) Now they want to pass in NY, a copy of the expanded AWB that Sen Lautenberg proposed last year that failed in Congress, (Look up S. 1431). NY State Sen. Schneiderman's bill, (Look up S2445,) is still being written but it bans 51 more guns and some more features. When I talked to Sen. Schneiderman office in NYC, the person stated that the new law was needed because the gun makers were able to make a few cosmetic changes to make the guns legal but did not change the function of the guns. Their was a pause on the other end of the phone when I then stated: "So what you mean is that the AWB only banned guns based on cosmetic features and now that guns have been built in compliance with the law you are saying that the gun makers are using a "Loophole" to build guns to avoid the AW Ban even though they are built according to your specifications and by your own definition are not Assault Weapons."
From an 2002 article about White Plains Councilman William King trying to stop KMART from selling guns or Ammo:
"Initiatives like King's are important, said Andy Pelosi, executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence Education Fund, because they draw attention to the fact that by displaying firearms and ammunition alongside such merchandise as hiking gear and running shoes, they are made to seem like benign household items.
"The myth is that these guns are used to dink cans, but they are really designed to kill people," Pelosi said.
Statements like these infuriate hunters, target shooters and members of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, who say they are under siege nationwide because of actions like King's.
"We are all against crime with guns, but they want to outlaw firearms," said Stewart Hanson, treasurer of the Putnam County Fish and Game Association in Carmel. "It would not stop crime. Only the outlaws would have guns."
(1/26/05) - League
of Women Voters of New York State supports the expanding
of NY's CoBIS to "Include all projectiles from all guns sold to New
York State residents that do not eject casings when fired; and Include
all shell casings from all rifles and shotguns." in their May
04 State Board Report.
I talked to Aimee Allaud, Off-Board Specialist - Government/Campaign Finance Reform/Gun Control and she told me that she was unaware of the MD report or any of the problems that CoBIS had and that she, "usually takes my cues from the New Yorkers Against Gun Violence." Aimee Allaud has also distributed Million Mom march sign-up sheets at other local group meeting and has listed the League of Women Voters phone number, (518- 465-4162,) as a point of contact. (She also admitted that she does not own any gun
UPDATE - 1/30/05 - Rob Marchiony called me about the League of Women Voters position and said that he would talk to Aimee Allaud about it and that he would get back to me.
Each year the Brady bunch releases a rating
to show how good the gun laws are in all 50 states. Brady grades the states
from F- to A with the states having the best gun control laws rated A.
They clamed to have some "secret" formula that they use to compute
the rating numbers but in reality, the more gun laws you have of the kinds
that they like, the higher your grade with bonus points added if you have
some special gun control related program or with points taken away if
your state passes some pro gun legislation.
Brady failed to add the Washington, D.C.
to their numbers because of their high crime rate in spite of the fact
that D.C. has an almost total ban on handgun and long guns are registered
and must be locked up, unloaded or taken apart at all times; something
that would have surely gotten them an "A" under Brady's system.
If D.C. were included in the numbers the average rate of all "A"s
would have been 615 per 100,000.