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 JUST BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT SEE THIS ANYWHERE ELSEAlleged letter to Zarqawi suggests dissent in Iraq Al Qaeda ranks (DPA) 6 August 2005 BAGHDAD - A letter allegedly written by a member of Al 
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        was dissent in the ranks of fighters operating out of Mosul, according 
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| Peter Jennings Born: 7/29/1938 Birthplace: Toronto, Canada Aug. 7, 2005— ABC News Anchor Peter Jennings died today at his home in New York City. He was 67. On April 5, Jennings announced he had been diagnosed with lung cancer. National news anchor of ABC's World News Tonight. By the age of nine Jennings had his own radio show, and though he dropped out of high school he went on to become America's youngest national network anchor (1964) ever. When lousy ratings got him demoted to correspondent, he covered stories around the globe until he was reinstated as anchor in 1983.  | 
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 CBS used picture of Sen. UpChuck Schumer shooting a TEC-9 for anti-gun article in 2001     I just came across some interesting 
        trivia. In 2001, CBS did a story 
        on a ruling by the CA Supreme Court that victims cannot sue weapons manufacturers 
        for damages when criminals use their products illegally in the case of 
        Merrill 
        v. Navegar. In 1993 a mentally disturbed man killed eight people and 
        wounded six in a CA law firm with two TEC-DC9s and a revolver before killing 
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      August 02, 2005      The 
        U.S. Senate recently produced a miracle when it passed bill S.397. The 
        bill, which passed last week by a 65-31 vote, provides the gun industry 
        with protection against frivolous lawsuits.
             Of course, the loudest voices were from 
        those opposed to this important bill.
             Why? For starters, the anti-gun/hunting 
        lobby has a vested interest in making gun manufacturers responsible for 
        crimes committed by thugs who use them to kill or maim others. For too 
        many years, gun manufacturers have been at the pointed end of a legal 
        barrel, all designed to bankrupt this industry.
        Let's see how this works. A criminal obtains a gun, sometimes illegally, 
        and commits a crime using it. Criminal gets caught and goes to jail. Gun 
        manufacturer lands in court because some anti-gun organization decides 
        that they, too, are guilty of that same crime.
             Millions of dollars and countless hours 
        are tied up in court cases like this all over the U.S. If you applied 
        the same logic to other industries, say car manufacturers, then every 
        time a person was killed in a car accident, through no fault of the automobile 
        but rather the drivers themselves, then someone would try to make the 
        car manufacturer responsible for that accident.
             Use the same level of legal intensity that 
        is being brought to bear against gun makers and you'd drive the auto industry 
        to its knees.
             Interestingly enough, if you look at S.397, 
        it doesn't shield the gun industry from lawsuits designed to hold them 
        accountable for the quality of their product. Despite what you hear from 
        the anti-gun lobby, S.397 allows those who are injured due to mechanical 
        failure of the product to sue the gun maker.
             The operative word here is frivolous. Frivolous, 
        in that anti-gun/hunting groups are trying to hold gun makers responsible 
        for crimes committed by criminals.
        Zell Miller, former Democratic governor and U.S. Senator from Georgia, 
        said it best recently: "How did we arrive where we are today with 
        these predatory lawsuits? I believe, that in large measure, it's because 
        the gun prohibitionists in this country have failed. They have been unable 
        to convince the people's elected representatives that law-abiding citizens 
        will somehow be safer if they are universally disarmed.
             "To counter this failure, the gun-ban 
        crowd has formed a tripartite alliance with big city mayors who lack the 
        will to get tough with the criminals who prowl their streets and with 
        greedy trial lawyers who seek big paydays."
             Hudson Valley gun owners need to let their 
        senators and congressmen know that the gun industry shouldn't be drawn 
        into lawsuits based on the criminal actions of thugs in the streets. This 
        process of trying to "rule by lawsuit" has no happy ending for 
        anyone. Next time you're on the range or out in the field, you should 
        remember that.
        
        David Dirks' outdoors column appears Tuesday in the Times Herald-Record. 
        Write to him at P.O. Box 87, Westtown 10998, or by e-mail at dirksoutdoors@hotmail.com.
 
      
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| THIS IS WRONG: Where did they come up with STAND UP FOR A SAFE AMERICA??Was it from Pres. B. Clinton's speech: November 4, 1996 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT TO THE PEOPLE OF THE CLEVELAND AREA Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio In part:  | 
              
      Manning of East Fishkill and who represents 
        the 109th district made up of parts of Columbia, and Dutchess Counties,confirmed 
        he is a possible candidate when questioned at a Dutchess County GOP picnic 
        yesterday.
              “As long as we have a team for 2006 
        that will actually articulate what we should be articulating as Republicans, 
        which is to rein in the taxing and spending and get the fiscal house in 
        order,” he said. “Unless we have a team that can express that, 
        I think the Democrats will roll right over us.”
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     Guess who is anti-gun and has joined with 
        New Yorkers Against Gun Violence and called for a renewal and strengthen 
        the federal ban on military-style assault weapons and supported Gov. Mario 
        Pataki's 5 point gun control plan? YOU CHEETED! But you are right, Westchester 
        District Attorney Jeannine Pirro. Will a real Republican please stand 
        up, please stand up, please stand up.
             Read NYSRPA's own Jacob Rieper at his BLOG, 
        Gun Legislation & Politics in New York. August 
        8, 2005 Jeanine Pirro, Still a Loser Filed under: General, Politics 
             What are we suppose to do?
              No one wants criminals to have any guns, 
        much less so called "assault weapons" but the people who hate 
        guns think that all guns are "assault weapons" and what ever 
        "assault weapon ban" that is in place is only a "good first 
        step." NY is a perfect example. When NY's "Assault Weapons" 
        ban was passed the NY Senate in 2000, only a few people spoke; the sponsor, 
        outlining what was in the bill in very general terms followed by several 
        anti-gunners saying they would vote for the bill and it was a good step 
        that they were happy to see happen but much more needs to be done. Now 
        fast forward to 2005 when the same anti-gun people tried to pass an expanded 
        anti-gun bill written by anti-gun 
        lawyers from an anti-gun foundation in Washington D.C. by changing 
        what the definition of an "assault weapon" is so that it includes 
        many guns used in target shooting, hunting, even in Olympic competition. 
        Do the backers 
        of this legislation know what the law will really do? NO, and they 
        don't really care if the current law has done any good or not or if the 
        new law will impact crime. All they know is that it takes legal guns out 
        of the hands of law abiding citizens.
             NY's 
        CoBIS program has wasted 10's of millions of dollars in over 4 years, 
        registered the shell casing from over 110,000 handguns that are already 
        registered and licensed by make, model and serial number to each owner. 
        The results have been that not one of the guns has been connected to a 
        crime using the CoBIS system! A total, 100% waste of time, police manpower 
        and money. What do the same anti-gun people want to do? Expand the system 
        to include all long guns. (Maryland is the only other state to have the 
        same program and it has been a total failure also. At least they are trying 
        to end their program.)
             These are the types of laws that Jeanine 
        Pirro supports. They don't make us safer or punish the criminals but they 
        do punish those of us who follow the law. On these issues she is just 
        like Hillary Rodham Clinton but I guess that I will have to hold my nose 
        and vote for her if she is nominated but I don't know how many other Conservatives 
        or Republicans can do that. It looks like Pirro is only going after Hillary's 
        base, ignoring most Republicans and Conservatives and Jeanine Pirro's 
        main issue will be that Hillary will be running for higher office as soon 
        as she is re-elected. For those who voted for Hillary the first time and 
        will vote for her run for higher office, they don't care if Hillary will 
        say that she will stay in the Senate for 6 more years or not. They are 
        going to vote for her any way.
             Why can't Republicans in NY State find someone 
        who offers a choice? Someone who supports Republicans ideas and will argue 
        for them and educated voters rather than people who are Republicans only 
        because they have an easier time getting a Republican nomination than 
        a Democrat party nomination. In almost no other state would people like 
        Pirro, Pataki, Bloomburg, and Giuliani be considered a Republican. 
|      Edward 
            Cox would be a much better choice and I hope that he can give 
            Pirro a run for her money for the nomination because you do have to 
            get nominated first however he does not look like a Mario Pataki RINO 
            Republican so we will have to see what happens. Ed Cox on the 2nd Amendment: “Every law-abiding citizen who wants to own a gun should be able to do so. I grew up in a family of hunters. More gun laws are not the answer to gun-related violence. We need to enforce the laws we have already. Any additional gun legislation must make sense from a law enforcement standpoint and fit squarely within the framework of the Second Amendment.” (While not a 100% pro gun statement is much more moderate that what Pirro has to offer. PS the 2nd Amendment does not have anything to do with hunting.)  | 
        
     Opponents of S. 397, Protection 
        of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act claimed that it was a special law ending 
        law suites for gun makers and sellers, an immunity not offered to other 
        businesses however in the same week Congress also passed the Transportation 
        act that shields car leasing companies in NY from law suites when a car 
        that they are leasing is involved in an accident. This Federal law was 
        needed because NY's Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver refused to allow a 
        law to be passed in NY that would have ended New York's 80-year-old vicarious 
        liability law holding leasing companies liable for unlimited damages when 
        their vehicles are involved in crashes.
             Companies in NY State stopped leasing cars 
        because of the law and the product that they offered cost more so the 
        passage of this law will save people leasing cars some money.
             The Bill is found under HR3, Sec. 30106. 
        Rented or leased motor vehicle safety and responsibility 
Sec. 30106. Rented or leased motor vehicle safety and responsibility
(a) In General- An owner of a motor vehicle that rents or leases the vehicle to a person (or an affiliate of the owner) shall not be liable under the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, by reason of being the owner of the vehicle (or an affiliate of the owner), for harm to persons or property that results or arises out of the use, operation, or possession of the vehicle during the period of the rental or lease, if--
(1) the owner (or an affiliate of the owner) is engaged in the trade or business of renting or leasing motor vehicles; and
(2) there is no negligence or criminal wrongdoing on the part of the owner (or an affiliate of the owner).
      From the New 
        York State Automobile Dealers Association web site:
             Leasing is a popular option for consumers 
        and small business owners, allowing conservation of cash, lower payments 
        and more frequent replacement into newer / safer vehicles.
             In New York, over 25% of new vehicle sales 
        were leased, with many high-end and metropolitan dealers leasing 80% of 
        their vehicles.
             Vicarious liability has caused unacceptable 
        losses for leasing companies and led over 70 such businesses to close 
        since September 2000. More importantly, consumers are losing a viable 
        option in controlling costs, which allowed them to transport their families 
        in newer and safer vehicles.
             GMAC, Ford Motor Credit, Porsche and Chase 
        Financial have now ceased their leasing operations in New York State, 
        with others ready to follow suit, while other companies have created acquisition 
        charges to lessen their liability.
             Under current New York law, if a vehicle 
        is purchased, the owner is liable; if leased, lessee is liable but leasing 
        company is also sued because its name is on the title and has "deep 
        pockets."
             New York is now the only state with unlimited 
        vicarious liability. Connecticut and Rhode Island repealed their vicarious 
        liability laws in 2003.
             Under the bill, manufacturers would remain 
        liable for defective products, but not for negligent drivers over which 
        they have no control.
             This is a truly antiquated law dating to 
        1924 and meant to cover livery drivers of that era who had no assets or 
        insurance of their own. 
 
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|   LET US NOT FORGET THAT THE 65 TO 31 VOTE WAS OUR GREATEST VICTORY AND THE ANTI-GUNNERS GREATES DEFEAT IN DECADES. THIS VOTE WAS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE END OF THE AW BAN. CAM EDWARDS MADE SOME GOOD POINT ON NRANEWS.COM       I wish that they had left the 
              TRIGGER LOCK and ARMOR AMMO out of the bill but they did not. It 
              is hard to figure out what impact the details will have in the real 
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CLICK HERE FOR THE FINAL BILL AS PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS
     On July 29, 2005 
          at 05:11 PM the Senate passed the bill, S. 
          397, that will stop many of the lawsuits against gun makers, distributors 
          and sellers. Many of the cities and states that have passed legislation 
          that makes it easier to bring Civil Actions against those who legally 
          sell, distribute or make guns SHOULD now be rendered meaningless and 
          irrelevant and a moot point after this bill passes the House and is 
          signed by Pres. Bush, something 
          that he has promised to do. The next stop for the bill will be in 
          the House where HR 
          800 will have to come to a vote where it has 257 Cosponsors with 
          more expected and only 218 votes are needed to pass the legislation 
          so it looks like a done deal but we will have to wait. The House is 
          in recess till Sept. 2nd and we will have to see when it will be taken 
          up and voted on. If the House passes a bill that is not the same as 
          S 397, then it will have the go to conference committee that will be 
          appointed with both House and Senate members. This group will resolve 
          the differences in committee and report the identical measure back to 
          both bodies for a final vote.
               The 65 
          to 31 vote was a big defeat or the anti-gunners who were unable 
          to tack on "killer amendments" this time like they did last 
          year. (S. 
          1805) It was almost a total rout with 14 Democrats voting for the 
          bill including Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. Even Republican 
          turncoat now Independent Jumping Jim Jeffords voted for the bill. (Jeffords 
          was reported by Reuters 
          news service to have voted against the bill but the record shows, 
          Jeffords 
          (I-VT), Yea, that he voted for it.) With 4 no voters made up of 
          3 Republicans who were all cosponsors and one Democrat, Feinstein, that 
          would have made the final vote 68 to 32 and the 68 vote would even make 
          it a Veto proof even if the President Vetoed the bill. You can't do 
          much better than that.
               The bill did have one Amendment added: 
          S.AMDT.1626 
          by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.) who voted for the bill; "to require 
          the provision of a child safety lock in connection with the transfer 
          of a handgun." The vote, (#207) 
          was 70 for and 30 against. This is not seen as a problem by most people 
          because 90% of all gun makers already include a lock with their guns 
          but GOA and other do object. GOA makes the point of this was an unneeded 
          amendment because 90% of the gun makers include gun locks but it opens 
          the door for the next step that could be passed under an anti-gun Congress 
          and President. That next step would be a requirement that all guns be 
          locked up with the now required locks. (That is a bridge we will have 
          to cross when we get to it but for now we can celibate. For you really 
          hard core: no one wanted ANY added amendment but this one did pass so 
          are you saying that you would rather have NO bill rather than this one 
          that has the "Trigger Locks to be Sold With Guns but you don't 
          have to use them" amendment?) As John Lott has said: "despite 
          the obvious feel-good appeal of these rules, gun locks and safe storage 
          laws are more likely to cost lives than to save them."
               Another Amendment passed: Amendment SA 
          1645 proposed by Senator Craig., "To regulate the sale and 
          possession of armor piercing ammunition, and for other purposes" 
          passed by Yea-Nay. 87 - 11. Record 
          Vote Number: 216. I have no idea what is in the Amendment but I 
          will find out and update this section. Sen. Craig was the original sponsor 
          of S 397 so I do not think that he would add anything negative to this 
          bill. 
               As you can guess, the anti-gunners are 
          going nuts. They are acting like their heads are going to explode. 
              For all of you who are always asking, "What 
          has the NRA done?" now you know. It has been a very good few months 
          for gun owners on a national level. First the Assault Weapon's Ban was 
          allowed to sunset and now this is passing. The NRA, GOA, SAF, RKBA and 
          all of the other groups on a national, state and local level should 
          be thanks and supported. I hope that the success does not go to anyone's 
          head and we think that we don't have to do anything anymore. WRONG. 
          None of the anti-gunners have gone away and they are using our success 
          as fund raisers. While the anti-gunners have been slowed down or defeated 
          in congress they have increased their efforts in the states and on a 
          local county and city level. The NY State Senate is only a few votes 
          away from passing the worse state 
          Assault Weapons ban in America and last month Columbus, 
          Ohio passes an expanded Assault Weapons Ban almost as bad as the 
          ban proposed for NY. Both these bills and others like them are written 
          by two anti-gun groups that are members of IANSA and have millions 
          of dollars to spend thanks to several anti-gun foundations and individuals 
          like George Soros. The anti-gun groups have had success on local levels 
          on issues like CA's 50 Cal ban and they are pushing hard for more 50 
          Cal. and AWBs on a local level across the nation.
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NRA News' own Ginny Simone was injured in a car accident several weeks 
        ago. She will be out for several more weeks.
 
        If anyone wants to send her a card send it to:
        Ginny Simone
        C/O NRA News
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     Ice Cube plays the hero 
          in this movie and ends up killing what must be hundreds of people using 
          hand, knife, gun rockets and just about anything else you can think 
          of. He is in Washington DC and has guns, I thought that was against 
          the law?
               The one scene in the move he is meeting 
          with a woman in a restaurant who is waiting for an appointment. The 
          appointment happens to be with an NRA person. When Ice Cube is introduced, 
          Ice Tea states that he represents the Southern Baptist Brotherhood. 
          The NRA person state that they are planning an event and ask what they 
          can do to attract more blacks. Ice tea replies: "Perhaps you can 
          tell your members to Stop buying country music, Stop burning crosses 
          and Stop shooting Black Folks." 
               The scene had nothing to do with the plot, 
          (if you could find a plot past shoot everything and blow everything 
          up,) and should have been left on the cutting room floor. Just what 
          you would expect from Hollywood.
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