I still get people who fail
to list an arrest for minor charges.
IF YOU FAIL TO LIST AN ARREST, DON'T EXPECT TO GET A LICENSE.
THE JUDGE DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT YOU FORGOT BEING ARRESTED!
(How stupid do you think that you sound to
the Judge when you say that you forgot the only time that you have
been handcuffed, placed in the back of a cop car, read your rights,
been fingerprinted, searched, placed in a jail cell, appeared for
arraignment, hired a lawyer and gone to trial.)
Just remember that the sooner you turn in your application, the sooner you get your license.
HOW TO GET A PISTOL LICENSE IN ORANGE COUNTY,
It is not difficult to get a pistol license in Orange
County if you are 21 years old, qualify and follow the county and state
requirements. It will cost you a small amount of money and a few
months for the paperwork to go through, a few hours for a class and some
meetings but generally all you do is turn in your application, pay your
money and wait. It is easier than you think, (but to be honest, it would
be a lot easier if we lived in many other states.) If you
have no major problems in your background and can get four people to sign
as references, then you should have no problem.
If you are between 14 and 21 a new law passed in
2006 prevents you from getting a license but the new law allows you
to shoot at a range under supervision. (See below.)
INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO ORANGE COUNTY
Because of the size of the file this page has been split into several
Click on the colored heading to go to the related page.
SPECIFIC NEW YORK STATE REQUIREMENTS
- HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?
- HOW DO I BUY MY FIRST GUN?
- WHAT ABOUT RESTRICTION ON MY LICENSE?
- WHAT ARE THE STATE REQUIREMENTS?
- WHAT TYPE OF LICENSE SHOULD I APPLY FOR?
- WHAT ARE SOME STATE LAWS THAT I SHOULD KNOW
- WHEN DO I HAVE TO CARRY MY LICENSE AND AMENDMENTS?
- I HAVE A GUN BUT NO LICENSE.
- I'VE BEEN A BAD PERSON.
THE FEDERAL BRADY LAW & MYTHS
- OTHER IMPORTANT INFORMATION.
- WHAT ABOUT THE BRADY LAW AND NICS CHECK?
- POPULAR MYTHS
- PEPPER SPRAY
INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO ORANGE COUNTY
The original source for all applications is:
GETTING AN APPLICATION:
You can now download the initial application called the Pistol Permit Pedigree Sheet (PPS-01) and the Arrest / Charge Affidavit that must be notarized.
The application will give you all of the instructions
for filling out the pistol application and will tell you everything
that you need to know.
If you need to go to the County Clerk's Pistol License, the office has moved and is now at the back of Valley View.
The people who work in the office are very nice and
will try as hard as they can to help you and to supply you with the
information that you request. You can stop by and pick up an application or they will mail you an application and list. Just remember that they can not tell you when or how
a judge will rule on your application or make judges work any faster.
They can not tell you what to fill in on the application so that you
get what you want. They also have other jobs to do so just remember
that your request might not be the most important thing that they must
do on any given day.
The application can be downloade along with the Arrest/Charge Affidavit.
The Sheriff's Department started offering NON-NRA courses in April of 2014 in order to raise some more money. The course is not to as high of a standard as NRA Pistol classes. Initially the Sheriff's Department would only accept safety class certificates from instructors that they approved and who gave the Sheriff's Department’s own poor attempt at a safety course. I filed a lawsuit against the changes and on 6/15/2015 the Orange County Sheriff's Department caved and started accepting certificates from people who were not on their approved list of instructors and taught the Orange County Sheriff's Department's Course. The Orange County Sheriff's Department has made a big deal about their "list of approved and recommended instructors." While the Orange County Sheriff’s Department did require all instructors to be NRA Certified Instructors, (originally at least one of the Orange County Sheriff’s Department’s own instructors was not an NRA Certified Instructor,) some of the people on the list have given very few if any classes and many instructors who were previously giving the NRA class were giving a better class than the Orange County Sheriff's Department's Course.
Stay tuned for additional changes required because of my lawsuit.
CLICK HERE FOR MY LAWSUIT WEB PAGE
SIMPLE OUTLINE OF THE PROCESS
Download your application and arrest affidavit. Pistol Permit Pedigree Sheet (PPS-01) and the Arrest / Charge Affidavit
Fill out your paperwork, get your Postal Money Order and go to the Sheriff's Department to turn in your paperwork and get fingerprinted. At this time the Sheriff's Department will enter your information into the the computer, print your application with fingerprints and give your your actual application along with your character reference questionnaires.
Get your reference questionnaires filled out and your application signed. Put down a deposit on a gun and attend your safety class.
Go back to the Sheriff's Department and turn in everything and have your interview. (If you don't have gun deposit or Safety Class certificate, ask them what they want you to do. You can hand it in later.) You might have to have your interview latter.
Wait. (If you don't hear anything in a few months, call the Pistol License Department to see where your application is. If the Judge has had your application for several weeks you can alway call the Judge's office to find out what is going on. Be nice!)
Depending on what you requested and who your judge is you might get a letter to go see your Judge.
You will get a letter from the Pistol License Department telling you to come in and pick up your license.
You will go to the Pistol License Department, have your picture taken, give them a thumb print to go on your license, they will print out your license and give you your license and "Pick up slip."
You take your license and "pick up slip" and go to your gun store to pick up your handgun.
Pistol Permits Requirements
(List by the Pistol Permit Department)
have include links and
my comments in Orange.)
- Applicant must be 21 years of age and an Orange County Resident.
- Applicant must take a HANDGUN SAFETY COURSE (I would not take the Orange County Sheriff's Department's Course or take it from anyone who is own their list. I would only take an NRA based class.) (You
do NOT have to take the safety class before you turn in your application.)
- Must purchase a weapons or have dual users with another Pistol Permit
- Four Orange County References. They must live here (It
does not matter who they are.)
- Must be finger printed for FBI and State Clearance, at the Orange
County Sheriff's Department.
- Fees $99.75 made out to Orange County Commissioner of Finance. Postal Money Order ONLY (Changed fee 2014 for fingerprints and application.)
- You cannot be convicted of a felony
- Turn in complete application to the Orange County Sheriff's Department.
- Takes 2-3 months, ( but NY law allows up to 6 months.)
UNOFFICIAL COPIES OF INSTRUCTIONS
AND QUESTIONS ON FORMS
* Please note that the instruction or forms can
change without notice.
Always follow the instructions given to you with
This is just an example of what the actual official NY State Pistol Application form looks like.
WHEN AND WHERE TO TURN IN YOUR APPLICATION:
After you have filled out the "Pedigree sheet" and have your "Arrest Affidavit" notarized you will go to the Sheriff's Department to be fingerprinted
and turn the application in to the I. D. officer. You can call 291-7687 for directions and hours.The instructions with
the application will provide the phone numbers and dates and times you
can have your fingerprints taken. NOTE: If you still have an old application remember to bring the receipt for $10 as proof that you paid the application
fee when you picked up your application.
The Sheriff's Office is now requiring that you make an appointment to get fingerprinted and to turn in your application. CALL 291-7932
Check your instructions and verify hours. Fingerprinting Hours for the Orange County Sheriff's Department as of 6/25/2015.
Monday 9:00 AM to 12:00 Noon
Wednesday 2:00 PM to 6:00 PM
Friday 9:00 AM to 12:00 Noon
1st & 3rd Saturday 9:00 AM to 12:00 Noon
Turn north on 6 1/2 Station Rd.
(Healey Brothers is on the corner.)
Take a left on to Wells Farm Rd.
Drive all the way around back and go in
You can fill out and turn in your application
before you are 21 but NY State law requires that you be 21 to get
a license. Because state law only gives the issuing Judge 6
months to issue a license without explaining why it is taking so long,
you do not gain anything by turning in your license application more
than 6 months before your 21st birthday. It is taking between
3 and 6 months to process and issue pistol licenses with 4 months
being about the average. The new law also allows people between
14 and 21 to shoot a handgun under 265.20 (7-e) so you do not need
a license for that and you can shoot when you are taking the required
7-e. Possession and use of a pistol or revolver,
at an indoor or outdoor pistol range
located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated
organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency
in small arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the
auspices of or approved by an association or organization described
in paragraph 7-a of this subdivision for the purpose of loading and
firing the same by a person at least fourteen years of age but under
the age of twenty-one who has not been previously convicted of
a felony or serious offense, and who
does not appear to be, or pose a threat to be, a danger to himself
or to others; provided however, that such possession
shall be of a pistol or revolver duly licensed to and shall be
used under the immediate supervision, guidance and instruction
of, a person specified in paragraph seven of this subdivision.
HERE FOR MORE INFORMATION
WHAT ARE ORANGE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS?
Orange County really has only a few additional requirements:
First is that the four Orange County residents who
sign as character references on your application must fill in a short
and simple questionnaire.
You will be given 4 copies of the questionnaire
when you get your Pistol License Application at the Sheriff's Department when
you are fingerprinted.. You are responsible
for having your character references fill out the questionnaire THAT
MUST BE NOTARIZED. You will then turn in the four questionnaires
when you turn in your application to the Sheriff's Department. Talk to the Sheriff's Department
if you are new to the area and have a hard time finding the four
Orange County residents. You may use anyone that you know
who lives in Orange County no matter how long that they have known
may use your boss, your real-estate agent, your postmen, your banker,
your insurance agent or anyone else. (The people who sign
as references are not admitting any legal responsibility for you
and their names are not on your license or any public record.)
Some people have had a problem with people
failing to return their references questionnaire. Because of this you
should make a copy of a blank questionnaire and do not let the people
sign your application yet. When you go to pick up the notarized questionnaire
then have the people sign the application. If you have the people sign
the application first and then for some reason you never get the notarized
questionnaire back then you have a problem because their name is still
on your application.
Pistol Permit Reference Forms must be
notarized in the presence of the signatory, 4/15/04
The Orange County Sheriff's Office
is encountering problems with pistol permit applications. At present,
4 character reference forms are to be submitted notarized with
the application. The Sheriff's Department has done some spot checks
on the notarizations, and has found that some notaries are notarizing
the forms not in the presence of the signatory. This is a violation
of law that the Department of State does not tolerate, nor does
the Sheriff's Department. When submitting pistol permit applications,
please ensure that each character reference form is signed in
the presence of a notary. The Sheriff's Office takes the issuance
of a pistol permit very seriously, and will deny processing the
permit if any laws are broken for convenience or to cut corners.
HERE TO SEE A COPY OF THE CHARACTER REFERENCE FORM
requirement is that you sign and have notarized the ARREST / CHARGE AFFIDAVIT. This is because so many people who have been arrested
failed to report the arrest and then claimed that they did not know
that they were suppose to report that arrest that happened that they
had been told was "SEALED". Well their records were sealed
but the arrest was not so they were found out. (See
note below) (added 6/6/03)
A third requirement is that all judges will require
that applicants take a firearms training class unless you are exempt
because of proof of acceptable training less than 10 years old.
(See the next topic)
A fourth requirement is that after the Sheriff's Department has finished your background check and contacted your references, you will be mailed a request to arrange
an easy meeting with an investigator for the Sheriff's Department.
(Call ASAP to make your appointment. You might have to wait a few weeks to month to get an appointment.) At this meeting you will turn in your firearms training certificate
and you will also have to supply a deposit slip, (or a notarized letter
of permission from the gun's owner,) with the make, model and serial
number of the gun you will add to your license. Some meetings
do take place on Saturday. This meeting with the investigator
is to re-ask you the questions you answered on the original application,
(Such as, "Since you turned in this application HAVE YOU
EVER UNDERGONE TREATMENT FOR ALCOHOLISM OR DRUG USE?"), and to
go over any problems that the investigation uncovered in your background.
(See PLEASE NOTE below.) It should be an easy meeting and only
take a few moments.
CLICK HERE TO SEE
A COPY OF THE INTERVIEW NOTIFICATION LETTER
An optional requirement is a meeting with your issuing
Judge. After the Sheriff's Department forwards the results of
their investigation to your issuing Judge, you might get a letter to
arrange a meeting with your Judge. A meeting is not required by
law but the Judge might request to meet you for many reasons such as:
the type of license you requested, your restrictions, your background
or he or she may just want to meet you. Some Judges do not require
a meeting when they issue a restricted license. Do not get too
upset about your meeting with your Judge. Look on it like a job
interview; be nice, say "Yes your honor, No your honor," dress nice
and do not bring up the Second Amendment. Remember that it is
the Judge's job to decide if you get a license and not the Sheriff's
Orange County does not have a formal specific limit
on the number of handguns that you can own. SEE: OTHER
From the ARREST / CHARGE AFFIDAVIT and the license application:
"HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED OR INDICTED ANYWHERE FOR ANY OFFENSE,
INCLUDING DWI (EXCEPT TRAFFIC INFRACTIONS)?" Look at the bottom
of the application, "ANY OMISSION OF FACT OR ANY FALSE STATEMENT WILL
BE SUFFICIENT CAUSE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION ..." The Sheriff's
Department does a very good investigation. If you have ever been
taken before a judge, had your fingerprints taken or been taken into
custody anywhere, at any age, for any reason
you would be well advised to go over the details with the Sheriff's
Department before you fail to list something that should be listed and/or
call your lawyer and obtain legal advice! Also
list DWAIs. Even Court files that were dismissed and
sealed before you were a teenager will be found out. It does not
matter if it was a run in with the law or a mental health problem, you
should not think that anything that you have done from the day you were
born to the day you applied for your license will be missed in the investigation.
(I know of one person who was refused a license because they failed
to list a possibly questionable ruling by a Family Court Judge when
the person was less than 10 years old.) However, just because
you did do something minor years ago does not mean that you will not
get a license. Very few people have had a perfect life and I do
know of people who were arrested and convicted, (I don't want to say
what for,) and were still able to get a license. It is up to your
Judge to decide so let them decide. If you want a license, fill
out the application with the correct information and apply. See:
I'VE BEEN A BAD
do not know what words to use to convey the message that you should
be honest in filling out your application and that your Judge will be
fair and will give you a fair hearing according to the law when deciding
on the day the license is issued if you are a person "
... of good moral character; ...". See
PL400 under WHAT ARE THE STATE REQUIREMENTS?
) CLICK HERE TO SEE INFORMATION
ABOUT SEALED COURT RECORDS
When you meet with the Sheriff's Department
for your interview, you will have to give them the make, model and serial
number of the gun/guns you will add to your license. You have 2
- You can buy a gun from a gun store.
All of the local gun stores know how this works so it is nothing new
to them. You will have to pick out a gun, put down a deposit and get
a deposit slip showing the make, model and serial number of the gun/guns
you will add to your license. If for some reason you end up not getting
you license, all of the stores that I know of will refund your deposit
but they might require that you pay some restocking fee. Ask.
- You can have someone who owns a gun
sell you a gun or allow you to add their gun/guns to your license. This
will require that you turn in a notarized letter saying that you can
have the guns on your license and listing the gun/guns by make, model
and serial number with a copy of the owners pistol license both front
and back. (After you have your license you will not be required to have
the letter notarized when you turn in your amendment to the Pistol Department.)
WHAT IS THE REQUIRED FIREARMS TRAINING CLASS?
Several years ago the Orange County Issuing Judges
and others decided that no license should be issued without the applicant
completing a safety class or proof of training less than 10 years old,
such as Military small arms or police training even though this is not required in NY State law. If you are not
exempt, you will need to locate a class. Of course I want you to take my course but other people also offer classes. CLICK HERE TO SEE MORE INFO ABOUT MY CLASS
I WOULD NOT TAKE THE COURSE AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR ANY OTHER NON NRA COURSE. You will not gain any benefit just because you took the Sheriff's Department's Class as far as the processing your application and they only cover about half of what an NRA class covers. NRA Handgun Classes that are sometimes
offered by some local clubs are also accepted. Costs for the class range between $35 to
$150 or more, and the class can last from 4 hours to 10 hours for a full
NRA Handgun Safety Class.
agreement could be reach as to what the class would cover and the Sheriff's
Department and the Judges did not implement PL 400 (3)(b) Application
for an exemption under paragraph seven-b of subdivision a of section
265.20 of this chapter, that would allow a license applicant
to handle and fire a handgun. Because of this it is technically
illegal to touch or shoot a handgun while taking a safety class!
Go figure! (This changed in 2000 and again in 2006 when a new
law allows persons from 14
to 21 of age to shoot a handgun at a range under a certified instructor
without a license.))
NOTE: If you are not yet 21 you can shoot a handgun
as part of your class. Talk to your instructor.
people advertise that they are NRA Instructors but do not give
the official NRA Class. If you do not get an NRA Book as part
of the class and if the instructor does not follow the official
NRA class outline and give you an original NRA Certificate then
you are not taking an NRA Class. Don't pay for something that
you are not getting. (Unless you are giving
an official NRA Class, the NRA does not allow you to add that
you are an NRA instructor unless you include a disclaimer stating
that it is not an NRA Class.)
If you are not given this
book and this certificate, you are not taking the NRA FIRST
FIRST Steps Packet
NRA Posters used in Class
WHO WILL MY JUDGE BE?
Each county sets up its own system of how the licenses
will be issued and what judges will be in charge. Orange County
divided the county up, and 6 judges issue licenses. It is impossible
to tell with a simple system who your judge will be, but the list that
follows shortly will give you a good idea. You will have to call
the Pistol License Dept. and ask them if it is really important.
This is not a very uniform system because the law allows each judge
to do what ever they want to do. That means that each of the 6
judges picks out what they will require, what restrictions they will
or will not put on a license and what other standards have to be met.
The judges do have some informal understanding of how some things will
work and what the Sheriff's Department is required to do. Each
judge is elected for 10 years and they have to retire
at age 70. Of all of the votes that anyone can make that has a
direct impact on handgun licenses in Orange County, THIS IS IT!
All judges fall under the jurisdiction of the 9th
Judicial Court. You can contact the Judges through the County's
main phone # of 291-2690. (I would not call them. They will
contact you if they need or want to talk to you.)
Handgun Licensing Judges
This list was changed on 6/19/15
||City of Middletown, Town of Mt. Hope, Wallkill, Wawayanda
|Hon. Lori Currier Woods
||Towns of Blooming Grove, Hamptonburgh, Woodbury, Bellvale, Burlingham, Campbell Hall, Castel Point, Central Valley, Harriman, Highland Mills, New Milford, Salisbury Mills, Southfield, Washingtonville,
|Hon. Carol Kline
|Towns of Deerpark, Greenville, Minisink, Highlands, Fort Montgomery, Godeffroy, Highland Falls, Huganought, Johnson, Westbrookville, West Town, Unionville, Cuddebackville, Greenville
|Hon. Christine Krahulik
||Town of Cornwall, New Windsor, Vails Gate, Cornwwall on Hudson, Mountainville, Rock Tavern, Steward Air Force,
||Town of Montgomery (Walden), Crawford, Monroe, Chester, and Marlboro (Hon. Berry retired 6/2015), Arden, Maybrook, Pine Bush, Sugar Loaf, Thompson Ridge, Bullville
|Hon. Robert H Freehill
||Towns of Goshen, Warwick, Tuxedo, City of Port Jervis, West Point Military Academy and the City and Town of Newburgh, Sterling Forest, Pine Island, Middlehope, Marlboro, Greenwood Lake, Florida.
*6/2015 Judge Berry retired and left an open seat. His permits are being cycled through all of the judges so you will not be able to know who your Judge is unting it is assigned to a Judge.
(On Jan. 11, 2007 Judge Freehill was given the
following towns that had been covered by the following Judges:
Hon. Lori Currier Woods lost
Tuxedo, Warwick: Hon. Carol Kline lost City of Port Jervis,
Goshen. West Point Academy is a new area.)
(On 7/28/08 Judge Kiedaisch stopped issuing pistol licenses and her towns were divided between Berry, who got Marlboro and Freehill who got the City and Town of Newburgh.)
HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?
You will have to pay for:
- $97.75 in total when you go to get fingerprinted (You download the initial application form for free.) (Postal Money order only made out to Orange County Commissioner of Finance.)
- $35.00 to $85 for the firearms training class (Gander Mtn. charges $75 for the class and $50 per student to Gander Mtn.)
Total $132.75 to $177.75 for the application plus
the cost of the gun.
NOTE: The NEW YORK STATE EXECUTIVE LAW SECTION 837 (ARTICLE
35 - DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES), was amendment EFFECTIVE
7/1/03, increasing the fingerprint processing fee from seventy four
dollars ($74.00) to ninety nine dollars ($99.00). However the fee was reduced to $94.25 on Oct. 1st of 2007 when the FBI decreased the fee for the computer taken fingerprint check and reduced again to $91.50 in March of 2012.
In 2004, Gov. Mario Pataki tried to introduce
5 year renewable licenses with
$100 going to NY State and allowing counties to charge an unlimited
Gov. Paterson has introduced legislation for renewable licenses starting in 2008.
here for more information
Under the NY SAFE Act, all licenses will have to be "recertified" starting in 2018.
This process will verify your address and the guns you own only, It is not a renewal or reapplication.
HOW DO I GET MY LICENSE AFTER THE LICENSE IS APPROVED?
The Pistol Permit Department will
send you a letter stating that you license is ready to be picked up.
Starting in 2005 all licenses are now the plastic "drivers license'
type. You will have to go to the Pistol Permit Department in
Goshen to have your digital picture taken and be given your license.
The Sheriff's Office is now requiring that you make an appointment to get fingerprinted and to turn in you application. CALL 291-7932
The fee for the fingerprinting has changed and is now $91.50.
Fingerprinting Hours for the Orange County Sheriff's Department:
Monday 10:30 AM to 12:00 Noon
Wednesday 3:30 PM to 5:30 PM
Friday 10:30AM to 12:00 Noon
1st & 3rd Saturday 8:00 AM to 12:00 Noon
The Orange County Sheriff's Department has added additional hours by adding Friday 10:30 to Noon and not requiring appointments on Wed. They have also changed how they do the interview. If you have all of your paperwork, (a copy of: 1. receipt for a handgun, 2. safety class certificate and 3. your letter justifying your need for an unrestricted license,) when you turn in your pistol application and reference letters, they will try to do your interview then so you will not have to come back. If you don't have your paperwork you can give it do them at a latter date. (They prefer you fax everything to them at 291-7686 but if you mail it please put Attention Pistol Permits on the letter.) Also if you provided two forms of ID that shows you live where you live they will sometimes wave the home visit. The best IDs are cable, phone, oil, gas & electric bills that show your name and address.
The Orange County Sheriff's Department has some new equipment that they are using to process pistol application so some changes are being made to the forms and process.
You will no longer need to get the additional pictures, a savings of $10. You will also not have to get ink on your fingers. The whole process is being computerized.
The biggest change is that once you get your fingerprints done, you will have 60 to complete the forms and return them. The 60 day time limit starts when you have your fingerprints done.
After you turn in your filled in application they still have to do all of the other checks so it might not speed up the process too much.
You will not have to have your receipt for the gun you are adding to your license or your safety class certificate until you have your Sheriff's Department interview. If you have the stuff when you turn in your application and want to turn it in, that is OK also.
YOU MUST USE BLACK INK
ON ALL OF THE FORMS
Starting Jan. 1, 2005 it will cost
you $10 to pick up a pistol license application. The law allows
them to charge the fee and in the past you paid the $10 when you
turned in your application. The reason for the change is that
people were picking up applications and never turning them in
so they were handing out thousands of applications but only getting
a few hundred back.
They will stamp your application
when you pick it up and give you a receipt. You have to keep the
receipt when to show the Orange County Sheriff's Department as
proof of payment when you hand in your application.
| Don't complain
about the $10. It cost them much more than $10 to provide
the applications and to process the paperwork. The $10 fee
was written into the law decades ago and has never been changed.
Several counties have had the law changed to have renewable
licenses and to increase the fees. Nassau County charges $200
for a 5 year license, and NY City charges $340 for a 3 year
license. In 2004, Pataki tried to introduce 5 year renewable
licenses with $100 going to NY State and each county being
allowed to charge anything that they want and you know that
some counties would have charged $1,000 or more per gun. Now
you can expect the anti-gun people in the NY Assembly and
Senate to introduce a renewable license bill every year from
now on until it passes. Just another reason to join not only
the NRA but also NY State groups like SCOPE:
The Shooter's Committee On Political Education, New York
State Rifle and Pistol Association or the Orange County
Federation of Sportsmen.